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 Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 04:19 am
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Zero Latency is as of now a buzz term but I've dreamed about it for a couple years now... I knew it was possible and it will soon become reality.

Servers always have one big bottleneck... a turntable with an arm that swings back and forth looking for the right array of ones and zeros. Commonly called a hard drive.

Early hard drives were 10 and 20M. Yes M and not G. It is not uncommon for even home computers to have 2 to 4 gigs of memory on a stick. Processors with more L2 cache respond way quicker than lets say a celeron or sempron.

So why not replace the hard drive with a row of sticks of ram? It makes the difference in speed of a computer like the difference of flying from New York to California -VS- driving in a car. Since there is no moving parts, they last much longer with a potential of never needing replaced.

This will take server technology a leap forward in reliability and speed, something it has needed for 10 years.

So hang on to your monitors, the internet will be faster by Christmas for sure. And at the same time you will be able to pick up computers on e-bay already 5 times faster than what you are sitting in front of now for a couple hundred bucks-

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 Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 05:00 am
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very interesting - any links to related stories about this technology?

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 Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 12:36 pm
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Most of the articles I found were a little geeky... here are two decent ones:
http://www.d-silence.com/feature.php?id=1008
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/06/04/Sun-aims-to-flood-servers-with-solid-state-drives_1.html

Looks like Liquid web has jumped on the band wagon as an early contender in this game which IMO is a big mistake being that SSD's cost substantially more than even 15K SATA's and the technology is in it's infancy. There are always bugs to be worked out in any new systems, waiting is wise sometimes.

You will not be able to enjoy solid state servers at Data 1 till the middle of next year and I'm sure plans will be a little more money. The speed will be worth it and I plan on being my first customer:).

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 Posted: Sat Aug 2nd, 2008 02:00 pm
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wonder why they think so long? Most computer components drop in price pretty quickly and multiple companies jump into the game offering similar products.

Barring datacenters, the adoption of flash storage has been slow in the enterprise due to high cost per gigabyte. A 128GB SSD costs $460, or $3.58 per gigabyte, compared to $60 for a 160GB hard drive, said Krishna Chander, senior analyst at iSuppli. It will take three to four years for SSDs to come to parity with hard drives on price, Chander said.

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 Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 07:05 pm
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That's interesting stuff Jim. Will Ultras hosting benefit from this in the shorter term?

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Whoops, sorry Jim forget that. I just read the next year bit. Count me in for that as well.

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TVDinner wrote: wonder why they think so long? Most computer components drop in price pretty quickly and multiple companies jump into the game offering similar products.

Barring datacenters, the adoption of flash storage has been slow in the enterprise due to high cost per gigabyte. A 128GB SSD costs $460, or $3.58 per gigabyte, compared to $60 for a 160GB hard drive, said Krishna Chander, senior analyst at iSuppli. It will take three to four years for SSDs to come to parity with hard drives on price, Chander said.

I would have expected this to be available sooner. Many customers will want the faster speed even if it costs more.

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 Posted: Wed Aug 6th, 2008 07:16 pm
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I just seen this bit in the second link;

"A number of companies recently announced in the SSD storage products. Intel on Tuesday introduced an 8GB SSD and said it would make a 16GB SSD available in the fourth quarter of this year. Seagate last week said it would offer SSDs to top-tier companies starting next year."

8 and 16GB seems rather small for a server, or a I reading this wrong?

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Also Will The Current High Speed Internet Connections Keep Up With The SSD Servers?

Looks Like to Me That A Change in Technology is needed there also.

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Just Noticed That 128gb SSD's are now below $400

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=4016&name=128GB

Haven't seen any approaching 1Tb in size yet.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 7th, 2008 01:14 am
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Give it another year, it will be standard issue in all servers, 2 years and all home systems will have them.

I wouldn't know what to do with a T.

High speed connections are climbing already, there will always be a bottle neck somewhere. Open one pipe bigger, another one busts!

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 Posted: Fri Nov 7th, 2008 02:00 am
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As Soon As  systems Get where they run reasonably fast they start Talking about expanding them to 64, 128 or even 256 bit software and processors. Never any end to it

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 Posted: Fri Nov 7th, 2008 08:55 pm
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That's it John, technology never stops. All we get is drip fed with a bit every so often.

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